that is not -- if we are l done facing it in mali, algeria, somalia, pakistan, looking at it as kind of separate issues, t is all one movement, all sol -- self perpetuating, and it is all motivated by our intervention. the french have united a very disparate group of islamist organizations and molly by intervening there. lou: and as michael is it out, the united states debated, as he characterized, and by the way, i am not sure that the national media even confronts that certain reality that the united states has lost. those are not words that trip easily off the american time. >> no, but these are the consistent notions, perceptions. absolutely. if you listen to them, read their statements, including the few weeks ago, you pretty much convinced that we have been defeated. we have been defeated in benghazi, and now, because you may see in a few weeks, statements by factions say we are now fighting the french. does not matter if they lose people on the ground. they're fighting now. the international community, of course, in this issue. the most important thing in my perspective is, who are we fighting?